I came across this article the other day, and it struck me as a good example of the disconnect between feminist ideology and the reality of life in the Western world. I know such examples are everywhere, but this one managed to cram so many (deliberate) misconceptions into one article, I thought it would be convenient to address them all at once. Call me lazy…  The article is called “Anti-Feminist Beliefs & Criticism”, and it was written by one Suzanne MacNevin in January 2008. The title implies a bit broader scope than it covers, but still it hits on quite a few beliefs, or should I say, feminist interpretations of the beliefs of anti-feminists, and as such is worth picking apart:  

Anti-Feminist Beliefs & Criticism

By Suzanne MacNevin - January 2008. There is a growing plethora of anti-feminist websites out there and there is noticable trends amongst the topics discussed amongst such websites. One of the leading criticisms is that feminists are out to get pregnant and get alimony/child support payments from their deadbeat dads/husbands. 

I don’t think it’s that they’re out to get pregnant, it’s that they have nothing to lose and much to gain financially by filing for divorce when they get tired of their husbands. I’m not sure why you’re labeling the men as “deadbeat dads” when you you haven’t gotten to the divorce part yet, but your bias is clearly showing. 

Which leads me to one conclusion: The primary driving force behind such websites are “Deadbeat Dads” who sometimes write under the guise of a female name. 

I can see how someone with your attitude could be led to such a conclusion, but it’s hardly the only possible one. It isn’t even a very likely one.  By the way, I’m not a Deadbeat Dad writing under the guise of a female name. I’m a woman who uses her powers of observation and an open mind to see what’s going on around me. I don’t write because I’m disgruntled about a child support arrangement; I write because I can’t stand injustice or double standards, both of which are rampant against men, and especially fathers, in Western society. 

The websites typically include statements like the following: “Women will use sex and pregnancy to snare a man’s wallet.” “Marriage is a trap designed to enslave men.”“Divorced women take their ex-husbands for every penny.”“Women make men pay child alimony for children they didn’t even father.”“Feminists use divorce to take away a man’s children and his money.”“Women falsely accuse men of cheating and then take their bank accounts.”“Bachelorism is the only way to fight feminism.” You get the general idea. Basically these are men who are complaining about spousal/child support and divorce settlements. The last statement about bachelorism is essential to the “anti-feminist philosophy” that all women are money-grubbers and that you mustn’t commit to a relationship because she will wipe out your bank account. Perhaps for some men this might be good advice. Seriously. If the men in question actually believe these kind of bullshit statements there isn’t a lot we women can do to change their minds. They have essentially become brainwashed by the philosophy of bachelorism and thus can’t commit to a relationship (and likewise would probably make horrible parents and adulterous husbands). 

Every one of those statements is based on fact. They don’t say “all women”, or “every woman”, they say “woman”. It’s like when you say “Deatbeat Dads” when referring to divorced fathers. I’m sure you don’t mean every divorced father is a deadbeat, right? Or do you?  Unfortunately, Suzanne, you don’t get the general idea. What you see as fathers refusing to take responsibility and spreading misogyny while they’re at it, is in fact men who have been through the wringer warning men who haven’t. The sad thing is that men still innately love women, and that’s why we have an epidemic of men living in poverty and unable to see their children. Because the warnings are not heeded. They’re not “brainwashed by the philosophy of bachelorism”; they’re learning some self-preservation skills.   

So why bother trying to change their opinion? Well, one can hope, but if they aren’t smart enough to figure out the flawed logic of bachelorism they are much more likely to be proponents of it than possible converts to equality.

 So far, Suzanne, I haven’t seen any proof of flawed logic on their part. Calling the statements “bullshit”, and slamming men who don’t want to be victims as “horrible parents and adulterous husbands” is pure opinion on your part. Your logic isn’t even flawed; it just hasn’t been evidenced to this point.  

After all bachelorism does offer a lot of tantalizing prospects for men:

 •             No need to commit to a relationship.•             No need to marry.•             He can sleep with many different women.•             He can have group sex.•             He doesn’t have to worry about raising children•             He doesn’t have to worry about financially supporting children and/or wife.•             More free time due to complete lack of family responsibilities.•             Able to travel more with less responsibilities.•             Able to live the wild lifestyle of a bachelor.

 This makes me the saddest of anything you’ve written so far. If you had actually had a conversation with the men you find on anti-feminist sites, with the possible exception of the radical ones, you would know that men in general would like nothing more in this world than to settle down with one woman life, raise their children, and make sure everyone is taken care of. They are operating out of self-defense. 

Theoretically he also gains more financial security and less stress, although the reverse can be easily argued if the woman also works and children provide a source of happiness and stress relief.

Actually, he does gain more financial security and less stress, as if he is married and a father, he knows that in the even of divorce, the majority of which are initiated by the woman, he has a snowball’s chance in hell of gaining even equal custody, much less unlimited access to his own children. In addition, all she has to do is say, “I’m afraid of him”, and BAM instant restraining order, and he doesn’t see them at all. Even if she doesn’t do that, her word will be taken over his in court, and child support will be ordered, very often in an amount more than he can afford and also have a roof over his head.  She can be the best wife and mother in the world, it doesn’t change the fact that she can play those cards at any time. Again, it’s not that men hate women. They just know what a chancy proposition it is to marry one and/or make babies. 

There are after all a fair number of men out there who due to their personal beliefs do not make ideal husbands or fathers. Infidelity and cheating being a regular occurrence, plus some men may simply may not be cut out to handle to the trials and tribulations of raising a family. I would argue therefore that these “below par” men simply aren’t ready (and may never be ready) to commit to either the faithfulness or the responsibilities required of marriage and children. 

Would you mind proving that? What is “a fair number”? What “personal beliefs” are you talking about? Is this more of your flawless logic? 

But with time that can change. As men get older they will undoubtably notice the loneliness and feel like they are missing out on something. They won’t be able to party like they once did and will be lonely on Christmas and Valentines. Presumably time will eventually mellow these men out, hopefully within time for them to still raise a meaningful family. 

Actually, men are already lonely. They know they are missing out on something. They just can’t believe, given our current culture, that that “something” is even possible. I have to agree with them that it occurs only rarely. The ones who don’t realize they’re missing out are the women who are too busy with social lives and careers to commit to loving and supporting one man, warts and all. 

Sadly one of the fundamental beliefs of bachelorism is that women are to blame for divorce. I disagree. 

You can disagree all you want. Women instigate the majority of divorces. Numbers don’t lie. 

I think both sexes are to blame for the bad choices that led to their marriage in the first place. People rush into marriage way too easily. It is much wiser in my opinion to give the relationship time and then when they are more certain of their compatibility and ability to commit then they should consider marriage. Some of the primary causes of divorce is sexual unhappiness, infidelity, money, stress and lack of trust/communication. Those problems lead to the breakdown of the marriage and either sex can be to blame. Money is an important part of this. Men can be rather sensitive about money and paying spousal/child support to these men seems wildly unfair. Why should they have to pay for children they themselves didn’t give birth to? 

This is a completely unfair, ridiculous, bigoted, and offensive statement. It has nothing at all to do with who carried the child. Did you ever stop to consider that without his sperm, there would be no child?? Did you ever stop to consider that fathers love their children, and would do anything for them? Did you ever stop to consider that it’s not the child support they object to, but the crippling amount of it? Or the fact that she’s using that money - supposedly earmarked “for the children”, to get her nails done? Or that they’re in agony because they miss their children? What about the ones whose children are turned against them by their mothers? You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself for making such a statement. If you were near me, I’d wash your mouth out with soap. 

Because they still made the choice to have sex and make a child. That seemingly small and insignificant act is nevertheless the life giving act of creation and gives the woman two choices: Abortion or a lifetime commitment to raise a child, including all of its financial burdens. 

True. They didn’t choose to be nothing but a walking wallet. Financial burdens??? You have got to be kidding me. Trust me, hon, the single mom in the Western world will never go hungry.  

If the couple in question is married it is already presumed that their marriage includes the goal of making babies and having children. The male is automatically financially responsible for the welfare of the child (and therefore also to the mother who may have to quit work or cutback her workload in order to properly take care of the child). 

The idea behind marriage is to partner through the rest of their lives. Children are not part of the marriage equation. If they both decide they want children, then fine. If he doesn’t want them, and she does, so she lies about the birth control and conceives, why in hell should he have to pay for her choice? The law says he does have to pay, though. That’s just one more reason men have to distrust women. Congratulations. 

If they are not married the legal matter varies from country to country, but the laws usually expect the male to assume some part of the financial burden. Is it fair for men to be forced to assume financial responsibility for their “wild oats”? Absolutely. Men don’t take this matter seriously enough. They think they can sleep with whomever they want without any consequences but in this world of STDs, HIV/AIDS and pregnancy that is simply not true. 

True that. And in this age of sexual freedom, women face that same choice. What if he wants the child, and she doesn’t? Too bad, so sad, should have been born a woman. Do you honestly not see the double standard? And please don’t tell me how hard it is on a woman’s body to carry and birth a child. Please. That is what our bodies are made to do. If she doesn’t want it, she should give it to the dad and pay child support until the child is 18 or out of college. If she doesn’t want to get pregnant, maybe she shouldn’t have spread her legs, or forgotten to take her pills last week, eh, Suzanne? 

I’m not one to point to the Bible as a source of wisdom, but there is a reason why adultery and sex before marriage is frowned upon. In ancient times if a young woman lost her virginity before marriage (or if her husband abandons her and runs off) she would end up impoverishing her parents with an extra mouth to feed. If the family was farmers they might not mind so much so long as food is plentiful and they need an extra person to help with the work. But if not that “bastard baby” could cause financial and social problems. 

That’s funny. My understanding is that if she lost her virginity, he married and supported her. Is this some new feminist interpretation of the Bible? 

The same is true today. We look up to women who manage to make it on their own, but it is a difficult task and well-nigh impossible without the aid of family, friends, husband and/or government support. Why should the government (and thus taxpayers) be forced to support the mother and child when it was partially the fault of the father who sired the child? How fair is that for society to end up paying for one man’s sexual urges and inability to stop spreading his seed around? 

Excuse me? What happened to the miracle of pregnancy and birth giving her all the rights? How is this all of a sudden all the man’s doing? You have a shifting sense of reality. Real life doesn’t change according to your moods. If it was true 3 paragraphs ago, it’s true now. If it’s not true now, then it wasn’t true before. Your logic is seriously flawed. 

And if society or the deadbeat father doesn’t pay up what is the social effect of having hundreds or thousands of women impoverished and struggling to feed and clothe these children? No, I am sorry dear bachelors. You need to own up to your responsibilities and stop blaming feminists for what is primarily a societal matter and only a feminist matter due to context of divorce and motherhood. 

Divorce and modern motherhood are exactly what it IS about, Suzanne. Men don’t have a say in these matters. Only women do, legally. I grant you, there is the occasional scrupulous woman who treats her man fairly, but frankly most women in the West wouldn’t know “fair” if it bit them on the ass. 

Without child and spousal support a good portion of our economy would be suffering under the weight of sexual and economic repression. In turn our society would also feel a huge limit on sexual freedom. 

Spousal support? If it exists at all, it should last only a year AT THE MOST until the mother can get on her feet, and that’s only if she has no education or work experience. Better yet, let the children go to the parent best able to support them. Having breasts and ovaries does not by any means make someone a better parent. In fact, most cases of abuse and murder of one’s own children are committed by the mother. I’m sure you’ll find a way to blame a man for that one, also. As for limiting sexual freedom, you say that like it’s a bad thing. Sex is meant to be so much more than meaningless rutting. Thank you, feminism, for turning it into no more than dogs mating on the back porch. 

Men should think twice about their sexual freedom and how they take it for granted. Don’t abuse it. Wear a condom if you’re not ready to have a child. 

Men get this. That’s why they’re not marrying. I’m thinking maybe women could benefit from taking your advice, though. 

And don’t blame feminism if your relationship or marriage goes sour. You made your decisions and you have to live with the consequences. Blaming women and being a deadbeat dad isn’t going to help anything but your own sense of selfishness. 

We didn’t have an epidemic of single mothers before feminism. Coincidence? You tell me. 

31 Responses to “Anti-Feminist Beliefs & Criticism, Or One Feminist’s Impressions”

1. Trudy W. Schuett Says:
   

   It never ceases to amaze me how these girls seem to think every anti-feminist has to be a man. I remember when the DLJ was active, at least once a week I’d get some nutjob feminist insisting she had some inside information and KNEW that I was a man!

   I bet if there was a poll taken (a bona fide one) they’d find the female anti-feminists outnumbering the men by a wide margin.

   April 4th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
2. Female Misogynist Says:
   

   Excellent rebuttal. Thank you.

   April 4th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
3. Flint's Gunner Says:
   

   Excellent editorial effort, Kelly Mac! Too bad it can’t hope to make a dent in the brainwashed vipers which are Western women. Nothing says ‘Courage’ louder than fighting desperate rear guard actions like yours in the face of certain defeat, though:) Keep it up!

   April 5th, 2008 at 6:23 am
4. TheManOnTheStreet Says:
   

   Nicely done KM! Nicely done indeed!

   TMOTS

   April 5th, 2008 at 6:37 am
5. Elver Says:
   

   Bravo! Great article, this. Please keep writing!

   April 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
6. jameshigham Says:
   

   By the way, I’m not a Deadbeat Dad writing under the guise of a female name. I’m a woman who uses her powers of observation and an open mind to see what’s going on around me. I don’t write because I’m disgruntled about a child support arrangement; I write because I can’t stand injustice or double standards

   Amen, Kelly Mac

   April 6th, 2008 at 1:58 am
7. anon Says:
   

   I don’t know you. But you know me. Odd. But thank you very much for this post.

   There are after all a fair number of men out there who due to their personal beliefs do not make ideal husbands or fathers. Infidelity and cheating being a regular occurrence, plus some men may simply may not be cut out to handle to the trials and tribulations of raising a family. I would argue therefore that these “below par” men simply aren’t ready (and may never be ready) to commit to either the faithfulness or the responsibilities required of marriage and children.

   I wanted kids and love my kids and wish I could see them more than twice each month. But calling other men below par? On many feminist websites you can read statements from women who don’t want to have children. Imagine the outcry if anyone said these women were below par….

   April 6th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
8. anon Says:
   

   It never ceases to amaze me how these girls seem to think every anti-feminist has to be a man. I remember when the DLJ was active, at least once a week I’d get some nutjob feminist insisting she had some inside information and KNEW that I was a man!

   It’s easier to insist every that disagrees is a man than it is to accept that many women disagree with their points of view.

   I am a proud liberal, but (I am hopeful) an open minded and critical liberal. When I comment at very ultra pc liberal blogs a criticism of some blog comment, I am often labeled a rightwing conservative. It’s the same principle. Deny that anyone can disagree with you unless they are not a human being and then you don’t have to worry that there are actual humans you may have to respect that disagree with you.

   I’d much rather read from thoughtful people I disagree with than with idiots that somehow claim to agree with me. The former provides an interesting read, presents me with issues I have to think about, and the latter makes me ashamed to associate myself with idiots.

   April 6th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
9. Jamal309 Says:
   

   Feminists’ true desire is for a society where (slave) men’s only choice is to support a (master) woman’s choice, and where everyone would smile and pretend this was “equal” and “independent”.

   This is the sinister nature of predatory women: they seek control and power without others realizing it, as to avoid accountability. Even the worst men (such as dictators and terrorists) don’t behave this way.

   This is why any society faces great challenges in giving women rights, as most don’t seem to understand the concept, and see it more as an opportunity to turn men and the government into their personal and economic slaves.

   April 6th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
10. bachelor tom Says:
    

    Thanks Kelly. There would be no reason to respond to stuff like this if the attitude wasn’t so widespread. The condemnation of all bachelors as losers and all separated fathers as deadbeat dads is just silly and sexist.

    April 7th, 2008 at 5:42 am
11. Opinion Says:
    

    Thank you for the fine rebuttal KM. As always I enjoy your insights.

    I want to add something to your comment that women initiate the majority of divorces. This is true enough but equally important is the ‘reason’ these divorces are initiated. The significant majority of the divorces were NOT initiated because the man was a drunk, or he beat his wife, or he couldn’t hold a job, or he was unfaithful. It turns out that the significant majority of the divorces were initiated because the woman was… unhappy.

    Now, no one wants anyone to have to suffer in an unhappy relationship but if two thoughtful people decide to get married and have children I believe they need a greating justification than this to end the relationship. I think that if the woman left the relationship and lost financial support and access to her children she would soon discover that she is even less happy than she was in her marriage. Many women just make the calculated decision that their happiness will increase if they get to keep everything they currently have and only get rid of the big lug that is funding their life.

    I’m a big fan of pre-nuptial agreements. Basically, when two people marry they are signing a binding contract whether they know it or not. A pre-nuptial agreement just means that the two people have to discuss and formally recogize what they are each committing to. I think that either party should have to option to walk out of the relationship but they do so at the complete mercy of the party not breaking the agreement.

    April 7th, 2008 at 5:51 am
12. JustSomeDude Says:
    

    “And don’t blame feminism if your relationship or marriage goes sour. You made your decisions and you have to live with the consequences.”

    And don’t blame patriarchy if your relationship or marriage goes sour and he beats you. You made your decisions and you have to live with the consequences.

    …

    Doesn’t quite work does it. Just because a man has agreed to marriage doesn’t mean that he should accept anything that happens afterwards. Just like a woman shouldn’t have to put up with a drunk, abusive, or adulterous husband simply because she “made [her] decisions”.

    “How fair is that for society to end up paying for one man’s sexual urges and inability to stop spreading his seed around?”

    How fair is for society to end up paying for one woman’s sexual urges and inability to stop spreading her legs?

    I’m thinking about sauce and geese at this point.

    “Men should think twice about their sexual freedom and how they take it for granted. Don’t abuse it. Wear a condom if you’re not ready to have a child.”

    “And don’t blame feminism if your relationship or marriage goes sour. You made your decisions and you have to live with the consequences. Blaming women and being a deadbeat dad isn’t going to help anything but your own sense of selfishness.”

    For the past 10 years, I have had sex only with one woman: my current wife, and for the past 2 and a half years I’ve had sex with no one. We’ve been seperated for 2 years now; she was “bored”, so she moved out. I still want to patch up our marriage, because I know that our daughter will do much better growing up in a household that has both parents, and I also desperately want to fix our family. My wife isn’t interested in divorce, because she still gets lots of financial benefits for being my wife, but she doesn’t actually want to *be* my wife. She knows I won’t initiate divorce because I want to get back together again, and she uses that, and my honor code against me.

    I’m not claiming that I am a perfect husband, but the most I’m guilty of is not doing enough chores around the house to suit her taste, wanting sex more than twice a year, and me catching her arranging to commit adultery with an online “friend” from out of state. Oh, and being “boring”. I didn’t go out to bars, I didn’t yell at her (I’ve never even called her a name, even after I caught her and her “friend”). I was always either at work, or with my family.

    We share equal custody of our daughter, equal costs of caring for her, and have an amicable relationship…but it’s all on her terms. Because the most important thing in my life is the hope of getting my family back together again, she still has access to my bank account. I, of course, don’t have access to hers. She still has the keys to the house, but I don’t have the key to her apartment. For the first year after she moved out, I was paying her car payment, her credit card bills, our joint car insurance, and she was using my bank account as her general spending account for over a year. What’s mine is ours and what’s hers is hers. Marriage is a list of duties and responsibilities for me, and a list of rights for her.

    My wife always wanted to have control of our money, so she paid all of the bills. The only thing I ever spent money on was gas, mochas, cigarettes and groceries. One of the things that angers me is that after she moved out, I had the exact same bills that we had jointly before she left, and I’m able to pay those bills and put money away in savings. I really don’t understand why she racked up $10k in credit card debt when those exact same bills were covered by both of our incomes. I wonder where that extra $45k a year went. Frankly, the money doesn’t matter to me, but the feeling of being used does. And watching my dreams die.

    I’ve not been a deadbeat, I’ve been the exact opposite: I’ve been a pushover for my wife because the money isn’t important to me, even though I *know* I’m being used.

    I’m not asking for any reduction of my financial responsibilites, all I’m asking is that she actually honors the vows she made to me. All I want is my family back.

    Sorry that turned into a personal screed.

    April 11th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
13. JustSomeDude Says:
    

    Oh, one other thing I did wrong: I made the mistake of buying her a $250 motherboard for Valentine’s day one year. In my defense, it was something that she had said she wanted multiple times, and it was something she needed. I know better know after she told me that a “useful” gift isn’t romantic. I thought I had made it up to her the next year with a gift of a day at the spa, but I never heard the end of my motherboard faux pas.

    April 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
14. free man Says:
    

    The key is for men to stop marrying women, stop giving them their DNA, stop financing their lives in everyway. If this is done on a mass scale over years and the ideas and comments on the website and others like it become mainstream then you’ll see women all over changing their tune once they can’t get a free ride anymore. MEN: DONT MARRY and DONT GET WOMEN PREGNANT and Dont finance their lives. If you must do so, you have a better chance with a eastern women who still respects men and comes from a good family with a strong father.

    April 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
15. free man Says:
    

    If women truly want equality then why do they fight to keep their 100% reproductive rights. If women truly want equality then why do they get custody of the children 95% of the time regardless of which parent is more capable, has more financial income and is more emotionally capable of doing so. If women want true equality then why do they expect men to finance their lives and give them gifts at all holiday’s. If women want true equality then why do they freak out when a man asks them for a prenup. If a man asks a women for a prenup he is an insensitive greedy jerk but if a woman asks for a prenup she is being fiscally responsible. Why is this?? I’ll tell you why. Feminism is a scam. Women are a scam. Women don’t want equality or happiness for men. Women have been taught since they are able to speak that men must be fought and battled to get everything out of them possible. They are taught from puberty to use sex and their looks to manipulate and abuse men at every opportunity. They are taught that women have been oppressed for thousands of years when the exact opposite is true. Men have died protecting women for millenium. Men jump in front of bullets to save their wives and children and it is men who have created everything that exists in the world from roads to cell phones and everything in between and women never thank men for doing this. All they do is bitch and complain and abuse men at every turn. I am single (thank god) with no children and every man I know that is married is miserable and says the same thing about their wife. That she was nice and normal before they got married, but as soon as they got married she changed into an evil bitch who does nothing but suck the life out of their man and act like freaking child their whole lives while their husbands busts their ass 50 hours a week, pays the bills, takes care of the kids, fixes the house, and jumps in front of bullets for them. My advice to non-married men out there is to not get married at all costs to a western women. Don’t get them preganant and don’t finance their lives.

    April 13th, 2008 at 7:29 am
16. Karma Says:
    

    Only if the the doclove system of screening females was given to all grade 10 boys all over the world, would the problem of guys staying with the wrong girls be over…
    www doclove.com is the guys website
    he really gets it, he has been studying females for 43 years.

    April 17th, 2008 at 1:48 am
17. Karma Says:
    

    Kelly you should go on his radio show at www.wssradio.com.

    April 17th, 2008 at 1:49 am
18. Karma Says:
    

    sorry www.wsradio.com

    April 17th, 2008 at 1:50 am
19. yankee girl Says:
    

    Thanks for posting this

    who sometimes write under the guise of a female name.
    And maybe online radical feminists are really men making a parody of feminism? Or perhaps feminism was started by men who wanted cheap, commitment free sex? Hmmm, we’ll never know will we. They need to get over themselves and realize a lot of women has seen the model of society they are selling and are waking up to say “Heck no!” Matriarchies are absolute hell-holes, for women and men. Jamal’s comment above really articulates this well: “This is the sinister nature of predatory women: they seek control and power without others realizing it, as to avoid accountability.”

    “anti-feminist philosophy” that all women are money-grubbers”

    The reason their view is so widespread is that they have made the word feminism synonymous with “in the best interest of women.” They control the debate and frame things such that if you criticize them, you are against what is in the best interest of women and therefore you are a mysogynist.

    They do not speak for traditional, feminine women who realize that equality(meaning being the exact same) on all levels is a pipe dream.

    Without child and spousal support a good portion of our economy would be suffering under the weight of sexual and economic repression. In turn our society would also feel a huge limit on sexual freedom.

    So, she freely admits that welfare is essentially the government replacing the husband/father. Perhaps if women would honor their commitment to stay together till death do us part the need for ’spousal support’ would disappear.

    That ‘limit on sexual freedom” is really a limit on state sanctioned female promiscuity. People have always been sexually liberated - they just had to suffer and pay for the consequences on their own. Historically in America, nothing but social pressure or lack of personal desire stopped a woman from sleeping around. Men’s sexuality was more restrained by difficulty finding partners willing to have no-strings attached sex.

    She needs to shut her fat mouth about the Bible she obviously didn’t read, as well.

    April 18th, 2008 at 6:27 am
20. Flint's Gunner Says:
    

    Things are falling apart. Food and energy prices are skyrocketing. Political unrest is on the rise. Very soon this web site may become moot. I can guarantee you this–in the face of turmoil or actual societal collapse you’ll never hear these shameless hucksters utter the word ‘equality’ again. They’ll be too busy doing whatever it takes to cover their asses, and that includes FINALLY SHUTTING THE HELL UP and turning to Men for protection and sustenance–which is what they’re doing now, only it will no longer be enforced by this putrid Matriarchal ‘government’. Let’s hope men will be smart enough to make sure the Feminist Hydra is dead in the aftermath. So, if you’re feeling apprehensive about what’s going on around the globe–and if you aren’t then you’re simply not paying attention–here’s your silver lining. Feminism will at long last fall into the pit these Hate mongering harpies have digged for themselves. There’s gonna be an awful lot of bewildered Entitlement Princesses who are so stupid they’ll starve in the street, unaware that buying overpriced clothes and peddling P****y doesn’t actually put food in anyone’s mouth. Ah well, reality is a Bitch, honey.Unfortunately it does not concede that you are equal no matter how loudly you continue to squawk and rage.

    April 18th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
21. crella Says:
    

    ” In turn our society would also feel a huge limit on sexual freedom. ”

    After she just got done railing against male sexual freedom as ‘bachelorism’. No logic at all…

    April 19th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
22. Nick S Says:
    

    I find it funny to hear the number of feminists today who complain that men are too selfish to commit to relationships and families. These are the same feminists who have spent forever claiming that marriage is an institution designed to benefit men and exploit women. Now they want to blame men for not committing to this supposedly unjust and abusive situation. Talk about having it both ways!

    It is ridiculous to blame men for being too selfish to commit. While it may be true that a small proportion of men have chosen to walk away from families and relationships, a much greater proportion of men have been driven away through feminist excesses. Blaming men for becoming more marginalised from families is like blaming the dodo for becoming extinct.

    April 27th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
23. NotJustBS Says:
    

    This anti-male bias is truly out of control. Thanks to all that have posted their toughts and experiences. I realize more everyday that I have been brain-washed to believe that feminism and equality are the same - NOT true at all.

    May 5th, 2008 at 10:33 am
24. NotJustBS Says:
    

    And another thing …. In so many cases in today’s America, young boys are now falling behind in school, etc. Being the father of a young son, I am seeing this anti-male/aggressiveness being snuffed out all throughout our culture and society. Boys are being taught to except this BS brainwashing and confirm to this ideal.

    May 5th, 2008 at 10:37 am
25. KARMA Says:
    

    Well, many gen X and Y woman will end up barren, single and very alone in their 40′S they just don’t seem to get it…..men have had a gut full,it is not about hating, it is about self preservation of ones sanity, money and a patience.

    May 28th, 2008 at 2:11 am
26. KARMA Says:
    

    Flint’s Gunner
    18 April 6:08 pm

    Yep and I for one will not help them.

    May 28th, 2008 at 2:15 am
27. KARMA Says:
    

    JustSomeDude
    11 April 4:18 pm

    gezzz dude just get rid of her!!!!

    May 28th, 2008 at 2:45 am
28. KARMA Says:
    

    free man
    12 April 5:15 pm

    yep he gets it

    May 31st, 2008 at 12:16 am
29. Jack Says:
    

    Unless you really, really want to give up any and all of your rights and equality with men, you ARE a feminist, no matter what snide and ridiculous conclusions you’ve come to insisting that you aren’t.

    Yes, you are.

    Yes, you are.

    Get over it.

    June 24th, 2008 at 9:24 am
30. KellyMac Says:
    

    Really, Jack? Why should I give up my rights and “equality” (as if such a thing as equality were possible given our fundamental differences) to prove to you that I’m not a feminist?

    Feminism had and has very little, if anything at all, to do with those things, contrary to what your mother evidently told you.

    June 24th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
31. Nick S Says:
    

    Jack,

    If it’s true that Kelly’s views are consistent with feminism, why is she not likely to be welcomed on feminist forums? Obviously there is something else to it.

    If all you have to do is believe in equal rights to be a feminist, then I guess I’m a feminist because I don’t actually believe women should have less rights under the law.

    Yet I would not be welcomed on feminist sites. Why is that? There is something I’m missing. What is it?

    That’s because feminism is not about equality. It is about female privilege.

    July 3rd, 2008 at 7:20 pm

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